deleting email at 3 something am is not a good idea.
it turns out that when i tell mozilla to save messages in the "Sent" folder on my imap server, that's not equivalent to the Sent subfolder of INBOX (i think that's why they use quotes). it saves it in something strange like Sent/2003/May-20 which other clients don't think to put them in, or check.
oh well.
oh btw - courier's webmail actually works.
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i miss hockey.